Introduction

"Relationship glitches" is a term that has often come to mind when I've been thinking about the little things that can be "off" in relationships between people (whether between spouses, parents and kids, friends, or any other combination of people in one kind of relationship or another. In fact, even co-workers or neighbors can have enough of a relationship that "glitches" can occur and cause problems to one degree or another.

It's not surprising that the degree of closeness in any given relationship can bring with it increased chances of one of these glitches, but sometimes it's more the nature of the glitch and/or the differences in natures of the people involved that determine how potentially seriously a glitch can affect the relationship.

Even in some otherwise good relationships, glitches can exist in a way that means one or both parties just learns to accept that all "will never be perfect" in all ways in that particular relationship. These glitches, however, also have the potential of creating tiny fractures in the foundation of a relationship; and too many glitches and/or fractures can, unfortunately, sometimes lead the crumbling of the relationship.

If you ask most people what it takes to have a healthy relationship, many would tell you that open and honest communication is important. Having the ability/willingness to step outside ourselves and be able to see the other person's point-of-view is something else most people believe is important. Both of these things is true (as are a lot more of the things that a good number of people believe is important in having healthy relationships). One problem can be (and I think this exists far more often than a lot of people even see) that the kind of relationship glitches to which I'm referring are something that exist for one individual, or between two different individuals, exist within the process of "running one's communication program" or "running one's trying-to-see-the-other-viewpoint program. If there's a glitch that exists in the "programs" we use in our interpersonal relationships becoming more skilled at, or more knowledgeable about, using those "programs" isn't going to help them run more smoothly.

Most of us have heard someone say how his relationship is having trouble because he and the other person "go around and around in circles and never get anywhere with it". More importantly, most of us have heard stories about how so-and-so's ex-husband was a scoundrel or a "lazy and selfish good-for-nothing", or how so-and-so's ex-wife was a "complete witch". Stories about "rotten sons/daughters" abound. So do stories about "selfish" mothers and fathers who "never really loved their children". In fact, there seems to be no end to stories that would have us believe that, perhaps, the majority of people in the world are "terrible people" who are terrible at relationships.

The fact is, there are a lot of people in the world who aren't very good at relationships. There are also plenty of people who just aren't decent, caring, people. Still, over the course of my lifetime I've become convinced that a good percentage of those stories about "terrible" people got their start with relationship glitches that caused those tiny fractures in the foundation of the relationship, and eventually resulted in a foundation so weak and/or broken it had turned into something on which no relationship could stand for too long.

Like the glitches that take place when we're using our computers, relationship glitches aren't something we can see just in the process of using the computer. All we can see is the evidence that a glitch exists. All we can see, know and/or feel is that something is wrong; and we don't really know what to do to fix it. The good thing about glitches in relationships, however, is that, unlike technical glitches that occur when we're using our computers, we don't need a lot of technical know-how in order to be able know where to look to find a glitch. Neither do we need a lot of technical know-how to be able to fix at least some relationship glitches.

Unfortunately, some relationship glitches are of the nature that may make fixing them impossible (especially when the glitch is rooted in the thinking and nature of the other person in the relationship). Glitches that exist between the two individuals may be easier to recognize and fix, but we can't usually do much about something that comes from within the other person. Then again, however, sometimes something only appears to come from within the other person's nature because nobody involved has even recognized that any problems in, or with, the relationship are rooted in a simple glitch that, if recognized, might actually be fixable. Fixable or not, recognizing these glitches can be a first step in understanding them, and possibly finding a way to improve the relationship by either fixing them or finding ways to help the relationship run more smoothly in spite of them.

Over the course of an adult lifetime, I've been increasingly and acutely aware of some of the surprising (even shocking) ways in which these relationship glitches can develop and insidiously continue to worsen in varying degrees and varying types of relationships.

Future posts here will focus on these relationship glitches that can so often make the difference between the healthiest of relationships and relationships that will never be as solid and healthy as they otherwise could have/should have been. I can't (and wouldn't even try) to fix anyone's troubled relationship. All I can do is suggest some areas where, over the course of my own lifetime, I've been shocked to discover or observe some of these glitches and/or some of the things that lead to their developing.

Tuesday, July 3, 2012

An Attempt to Answer the Question, "Do Middle-Aged Mothers Envy and Compete With Their Daughters?


Introduction

For all the mothers there are in the world, and all the mothers who have existed throughout history, I still can’t help but think that mothers may be some of the most misunderstood people on Earth.  Among the most misunderstood mothers of all may be the mothers of grown kids.  It’s not at all unusual for grown kids to think a mother’s motives are something completely different  from what they really are, and it doesn’t help that so many people in the world are not mothers and, as a result, don’t have a clue about how it really feels to be one.  When the matter involves mothers of grown kids there are men, children, childless women, women whose children aren’t yet grown, and even other mothers of grown kids who think very differently from “most normal mothers”.  Even among mothers who have grown kids, it doesn’t help that problems/challenges between individual mothers and individual kids can be very different.  As a result, it’s easy enough to see how a mother who is having differences of opinion with a grown child may find herself feeling isolated and misunderstood.  Another factor may be that mothers of grown kids aren’t as likely to discuss their child’s personal business with others.  It’s one thing to talk about whether one’s toddler has begun to speak yet.  It’s another to talk about some of the kinds of issues mothers can have with grown sons or daughters.  

And so, in the equation that is made up of a mother and a grown child, at least one side of that equation (if not both) never really gets factored in when grown kids (and others) use the “putting-two-and-two-together-and-getting-three” approach in trying to understand why mothers sometimes do or say some of the things they do.

The following discussion addresses the matter of whether it’s usual that mothers complete with their grown daughters out of envy.  Written from the perspective of a mother of three grown kids, my discussion is aimed at calling attention to some factors in that “mother side of the equation”.  My hope is that the reader’s better understanding, and (possibly) increased awareness, of those factors may help prevent some instances of putting two and two together and getting three.


Do Most Middle-Aged Mothers Compete with Their Grown Daughters Because They Envy Their Daughter’s Youth? -  One Perspective That May Surprise Some Daughters and Others
 
Not long ago I ran into a discussion about whether or not mothers of grown daughters compete with their daughters out of envy.  My immediate response in seeing that question was that most mothers don't compete with their grown daughters out of envy.  Some mothers "with issues" do, but that's not most mothers.  Upon thinking more about it, I think it's far to over-simplifed to say that most mothers don't but some with issues do.   If you'll notice, the question isn't just about whether mothers compete with daughters, but it included envy as the motivation.  I really don't believe envy is motivation behind a lot of apparent "competing-against-daughters" that some mothers do (sometimes frequently, sometimes only once in a while).  There's a reason, though, that the idea of mothers' competing out of envy is out there (and maybe to the degree that it could be called, "a widespread misconception").

There are, I believe, different elements at play when it comes to this "widespread misconception". Wrapped up in that question are both the matters of envy and competition.  First, I'll address the element of possible envy as a motive.  Following that I'll address the matter what appears to be, or may actually be, a mother's competitive behavior toward her grown daughter.   Everything I'm offering here is just my own experience or observations.  I have no doubt that there are mothers who feel differently than I do. (Contrary to another widespread misconception, neither all mothers nor all women "all think alike".) 

Following the matter of age is the matter of envy as a possible motive for competitive behavior.  The matter of possible is broken down and addressed immediately below. Since I've already asserted that envy isn't something mothers without "issues" tend to have toward their grown daughters, what follows is aimed at pointing out why the assumption of envy can so often be so misguided.


The Breakdown of "The Possible Envy Factor" (From One Middle-Aged Mother's Perspective)

-   Whether the person perceiving a mother's apparent competing behavior has grown children him/herself, or is at least old enough to have grown children.   Young people make a lot of assumptions about what people older than they think, or what their motives are.  Because of that, the matter of age is worth mentioning.

-  The matter of women's appearance and how much it matters to them is also worth addressing here.

-  Having a daughter can mean a mother has new things to think about when it comes to nurturing.

-  Some things I wanted for my baby daughter.

 -Some things I've discovered about having a grown daughter.


Before Addressing the Above List, A Briefer Reply to the Question-in-Question

As a mother who doesn't have the slightest bit of envy toward my grown daughter (who has, as they say, "everything going for her"), I thought I'd break down some of those elements that, I think, can go into that misconception; and offer my own thoughts on each of them.

With regard to a reply to this question, I can say - with complete candor and certainty - "absolutely not in my case".  Since I assume a whole lot of other mothers would have the same reply to this question, I'm also going to assume that it's reasonable that I venture to speak for that "whole lot of mothers" when I assert that "normal" mothers don't compete with their daughters out of envy.  I, personally, don't view my daughter as a rival of any sort; but saying that SOME mothers don't compete with their daughters out of envy isn't the same thing as saying that none ever compete with their daughters out of motivations other than envy.  Also, as with all "issues" involving less than ideally "emotionally solid" individuals, there are SOME mothers who do envy their daughters.  Those mothers aren't most mothers, though.  They're mothers with "issues".

My daughter is twenty seven; and not only do I adore her, but I’m proud of her..  To be honest, while I respect that she's an individual, I like to take some credit for the person she is.  I don't even like the phrase, "proud of her", because she's an individual in her own right.  Maybe it's more accurate to say that I'm happy for her that she's all the good things that she is (inside and out) because it's nice to go through life being one or another kind of "good thing".


Assuming  That "Less Than Happy" Older Women Envy Younger Women.  (Younger People Don't Have A Clue About How Happy Older People (Including Women) Can Be With Themselves And With Their Lives.)

 What a lot of people don't realize when they're younger is that being older isn't such a horrible thing.  I have my life and my aims.  I'm really glad to not to be looking at a blank slate of a big stretch of future; because it's incredibly rewarding to see my family all here, all built, and see how they (and I) have turned out so far.  It could be that I'm one of the many people (including women) who doesn't have a shred of envy in me (regardless of whom the person is or what the issue is). 

When a lot of people (most, I'm guessing) are, say, in their twenties; they'll look at others in their fifties (or whatever age they deem to be "middle aged" or "old") and think, "OMG.  I'd hate to be that old."  Until someone has reached whatever middle-years age it is he can't know how happy a person can be in her middle years.  Difficult as it may be for younger people to believe, a whole lot of people (including women) are far happier in their middle (and later) years than they were when they were younger.  When you love someone in a healthy way (especially your own child), you respect them too much as an individual to ever reduce them to being someone you'd compete with or envy.

There can be another factor when it comes to how daughters view mothers; however, and that is that children can be "little judges" when it comes to parents, and daughters (who are figuring out what kind of woman they want to grow up to be) will decide what it is about their mother that they want to emulate, but also what it is they never want to emulate.  With this judging eye, daughters will think to themselves how they'll do things differently and why.  They may or may not express it or show it, but daughters (especially once they get to their teen years and beyond) can have a running, private, "competition" going on in their own mind when it comes to how their mother does things or thinks.  So daughters (kids in general, and with regard to parents of both sexes) can kind of live in a "competitive mindset", especially with regard to their mothers.  In the meantime, the last thing on most normal mother's minds is competition.  The twenty-year-old who has, in her mind, been pitting her mother's way of doing things against her own doesn't have a clue that her mother has been viewing her in a very different way (and without any trace of competitive nature).


The Matter of Appearance (and Even "Fading Looks") - Straight Talk About Being Happy With One's Appearance, A Middle-Aged Mother's Thoughts

Someone in the discussion mentioned that middle-aged women are past "their glory days".  People can have different ideas of "glory days", and there's no doubt some of the most middle-aged-and older people can be people who measure themselves and others on by whether or not they're good looking (and having even a few lines and wrinkles aren't, by most standards, considered the most ideal thing when it comes to being attractive).  By the same token, there are a lot of very young people (girls and women) who certainly don't measure "glory days" by whether the face in the mirror is at the height of "adult-but-youthful".  Younger women especially may, in fact, be more prone to be particularly pleased if they like the face they see in the mirror (and if they get feedback from others that reinforces how nice it can be to possess that "good thing" of attractiveness.  That can be because the more meaningful things in life haven't yet come their way and caused them to place less emphasis on appearance.  It can be because they haven't yet had enough tests of who they are "as a person" to see more important ways than appearance that they do, or don't, measure up.  It can also be simply because a lot of young women have little else to think about than school and work, their social life, and whether or not they they're pretty enough by their own, or someone else's, standards.    There's nothing wrong with the fact that young women often view their own (and others') appearance in terms of whether or not their own appearance measures up.  It's all part of being young, growing up, putting the finishing touches on "identity" and values (so none of this is knock to young women who are happy with being young and attractive; if, that is to say, they are attractive.  None all young women are all that attractive.  That's a point worth mentioning here too, because youth, alone, doesn't always equal attractiveness OR "glory days" (regardless of how one defines "glory days").

As far as looks go, I'll break away from presuming to speak for other middle-aged mothers here and speak only for my own, middle-aged-mother self.  I'm no super-model, but I didn't look like a super-model when I was twenty either.  Then again, most young women don't look like super-models, and even super-models don't always look all that "super-model-y" without the help of make-up and hair professionals and special photographic effects.

In any case, I was among the vast majority of young women who would never be super-model material, so I had to figure out how to make the most of my "not-horrible-but-not-super-model-either" looks.  The way I see it, however, is that learning that when I was young served me well as I've started to see some signs of age showing up.  The difference between not looking like a super-model when we're young and still not looking like a super-model when the fine lines show up isn't really worth mentioning.  There were things about myself I didn't like then, and I still don't like them now.   Here's the thing, though:  Even as a young girl and young woman, I've never been shallow enough to think that what anyone (myself or anyone else) looks like is the measure of either a person or "glory days".

Maybe things would have been rougher on me if I'd ever outgrown the kind of insecurities about my own appearance that fourteen-year-old girls often have but do outgrow (somehow).   I have high standards for everyone, including myself; so even though I've never seen myself as measuring up to those high standards of "perfect looks", very few other women measure up to that standard in my eyes either.  Basically, if one doesn't look like the air-brushed version of a super-model, or else like one of the many versions of the Barbie doll that have come out after the "uglier" version of my own set of original Barbie dolls were out, that girl or woman (in my view) belongs in the "less-than-perfect club" and shouldn't be too carried away with own (even youthful) appearance.  BUT, maybe that's just me.  Either way, those high standards of "perfection" (and not measuring up to them - ever) have served me well in my being used to not looking like a super-model or Barbie, but finding ways to make the most of who/what I am and being happy with that much.  Or, to put it another way, I don't look like a "monster" in the mirror and don't have two noses, so I'm happy.


My Baby Daughter - New Things To Think About After Having Two Little Boys - Asking Myself What It Means To Be A Girl/Woman

When my daughter came along after my two sons, I was as committed to "raising a human being first and letting gender take care of itself" as I'd been with her brothers.  I wanted my child (who happened to be a girl-human-being, rather than a boy-human-being) to grow to be kind, honest, smart, strong and all kinds of important things; but very much enjoying the aspect of myself that felt uniquely feminine, and knowing how little girls' self-esteem is often impacted by whether or not they see themselves as pretty, I asked myself what it was that I could try to nurture in my daughter that would help her feel pretty but also help her be comfortable with any flaws (real or perceived by her) that may eventually show up in the reflection she'd see in the mirror.  I wanted to immunize my daughter against being "flaw-focused", and I asked myself what it was about my own sense of being a girl or woman that I most valued.  The answer to that question was that I loved that I felt feminine and graceful, and I loved the fact that aiming to look or feel graceful, feminine, and/or elegant were not dependant on the direction Nature took one's facial features.  To me, appreciating and enjoying my own femininity was the thing that had made not looking like Barbie at all a big deal or big problem for me.

Whether or not I was in front of a mirror, I most often felt pretty enough.  (Of course, when I would find myself looking in the mirror and seeing someone who wasn't nearly as pretty as I felt it could be a depressing shock (lol); but I think the sense of self-esteem that I had from being happy enough with who I was, and how I felt, on the inside helped me deal with those many occasions of "mirror shock or depression".  In any case, when I looked at my beautiful, tiny, baby-daughter and wondered if there was something extra I should think about as I nurtured her; I decided that the "something extra" was trying to help my little daughter "know her feminine grace and elegance" as a girl and, eventually, a woman.  That didn't mean that I wanted to turn her into "a princess" or a "fairy princess".  I wanted to raise a strong, smart, daughter of solid character and independence.  I just also wanted her to enjoy that most fundamental thing about her, which was that she was girl and would one day be a woman.

I did consider the possibility that my baby daughter wouldn't turn into a girl who felt, or cared a lot about, any "feminine grace and elegance".  I would have been fine with it if she'd turned into someone who didn't have a shred of either to her name.   It was just that I thought that most girls do start out with that sense of grace and elegance.  (That's one reason so many little girls of parents who want to raise them strong and "equal to men" so often dismay their parents with their penchant for Disney princesses.)  So, I knew I'd be fine if my daughter turned out not to be one for feeling graceful, elegant, and feminine.    I was prepared to make adjustments in my approaches if that's how things started to turn out.  I just knew, though, that the chances of a little girl's having that tendency to love feeling feminine and "princess-y" were pretty good, and I didn't want to neglect that aspect of a daughter's nature.

It's important to point out that I didn't "nurture my daughter's elegance and gracefulness" by only letting her wear "princess clothes" or do "princess things".  What I wanted to teach her was how to do something that can one of the biggest challenges for a girl or woman, and that is to be strong, smart, sensible, and "equal" without sacrificing her femininity, grace, and elegance.  Too many people don't recognize that feminine-looking girls and women can be smart, strong, and "equal" (or better in some instances).  Too many other people (or sometimes the same people) too often seem to think that the only difference between men and women are things associated with reproductive parts.  Also, a whole lot of people too often associate only a nurturing role with women.

I wanted my daughter to know that part of her that was more important than having perfect facial features; less important than being a good person, a kind person, a strong person, a smart person, or whatever other desirable traits there are; or so much more meaningful in some ways than whether or not she would one day give birth to her own child/children.  I hoped my daughter would know the aspect of her femininity that would sometimes be the frame within which the rest of who she was viewed, sometimes be the foundation on which who she was would be built, and sometimes be the light that would guide her with regard to any number of choices (big or small) with which life would present her.

The Heart Speaks When We Look At Our Baby Daughters

It wasn't that I wanted her to be "all kinds of good things" for me. When I'd look at my newborn daughter and think of what I wanted for her, it was that I wanted her to be all those good things for herself - not for me.  I knew what things helped make a person feel happier and have a sense of self-esteem; and when I'd look at my tiny baby daughter and think about how I'd be "molding" a brain in the earliest years of her life, all I ever wanted for her was that she knew how much I loved her and would grow up to have the kind of self-esteem that increases people's chances of being happy.

The Heart Sometimes Speaks Louder When We Look At Our Grown "Little Girls"

When I look at the person that sweet little baby girl has turned into, I'm pretty damned delighted to see all those "good things to be", including being pretty, that my daughter now enjoys.   When I look at my daughter (but also her brothers), there's something very "glory days" about how I feel right now, right where I am - fine lines showing up or not.  I'm so much happier and more whole being who/what I am right now than I was when there were no fine lines showing up in the mirror.  I look at the three people who aren't just the "products of decades' worth of thinking, worrying, planning, working, and loving more than so many people could ever imagining loving.  I see them as people who came into my life and made me so much better a person than I ever would have been without loving, and growing with, them.  Children (grown or otherwise) are yet a different kind of guiding light in life; and far from competing with my daughter, I'll never be able to express the gratitude I have that she (and her brothers) have been those beacons that led me to be the person I am today.  When you like the person you are, and the person you've shown yourself to be, you also tend to be OK enough with what you see in the mirror - including those fine lines under the eyes.



OK, Envy's Been Addressed (Hopefully), But How About That Competition Part of the Question?

I think lots of times what some people interpret as envy is often something else.  There are some mothers who envy their daughters, I know; but they aren't "regular" mothers who have a normal, healthy, "under-control-ego", love toward their child.  What can look like competing can sometimes be that a lot of mothers simply don't like something their daughter does and kind of get into a debate/power-struggle type of thing about who is right.  That's not competing, at least not competing the way we usually think of "competing".   That's the mother thinking she's right when maybe she isn't (or maybe she actually is); and it sometimes happens when the daughter thinks the mother "doesn't know anything", the mother gets aggravated at that, and kind of "gets her back up" about her own "stand" or ways of doing something.  Since it may not occur to the young person that she, herself, may actually be wrong about something (because young people are known for believing they're right and older people are wrong), she may interpret her mother's getting her back up about something as "competing" and then imagine that it must be envy.

Mothers and daughters don't always think alike.  They're individuals.  Sometimes the mother may be right.  Sometimes the daughter my know better than her mother does.  Sometimes neither is right or wrong, and it's just a matter of opinion, preference and/or a different personality or aims.  Too often, a mother may actually know better than her daughter (about something that isn't a matter or opinion or "debatable"), but without her mother's "well of experience" from which conclusions are drawn, the daughter may think her mother is "pulling that idea out of thin air", "being old fashioned and not with the times", or "trying to control her".  In fact, a daughter (or any younger woman) can imagine all sorts of motives and flaws in the older woman's thinking that simple don't exist.  So, sometimes mothers are actually right.  Whether or not being right matters very much can depend on the issue and whether someone's (like the daughter's or grandchildren's) health or safety are at stake. It doesn't matter so much if the mother thinks her daughter may one day regret having worn one kind of clothing or another, which she happens to think is "the height of fashion" or "cool" today.

Mothers can be wrong too, though  - terribly, terribly, wrong sometimes.  Daughters know that.  A lot of other people know that.  A lot of mothers can't imagine that there's the possibility they could be wrong.

In any case, depending on how important the issue is (or at least how important each woman sees it), there can be a lot of digging-in-of-heels when it comes to who is right and who wrong, as well as who will change their ways or plans.  Where, exactly, the line is between over-stepping boundaries and not only being well within them, but being a matter of meeting one's responsibility as a mother, can depend on the age of the daughter, what's at stake, and any number of other things.  That line can move as a daughter continues to mature (or at least it should move in a whole lot of instances). Some mothers are pretty good at naturally knowing when to move the line.  Others take longer than their daughters would prefer but eventually get there.  A lot of mothers, however, don't seem to realize that there is that line and any number of other lines that either need to be moved or else eliminated as their daughter matures.

As a result, those power-struggles and "competitions" regarding who is right and who is wrong happen.  While where any lines should be drawn can be tricky between mothers and teen daughters, the way it's supposed to work is that daughters grow up and mothers (pardon the phrase) back off; and both are supposed to live happily (or at least peacefully) ever after.   One problem can be that as daughters grow up the stakes can so often grow up too.

Arguments that were once along the lines of, "I don't think you should wear clothes that make you look like a hooker"/"Well, you're just jealous because my legs are better looking than yours," can turn into something like, "If you get a divorce and break up your children's two parents you'll be destroying their lives"/"Well, thanks for the opinion, but you don't have a clue about how things have been for me AND the children."  When the stakes "grow up" even the otherwise most well behaved of mothers can panic if they think their daughter is about to "make the biggest mistake of her life" (and especially if they also think their daughter is going to "ruin the children's lives forever").

Heels get dug in.  The more prone to emotions the woman is, the nastier it can get (and not all women allow emotions to take over, contrary to popular belief).  Sometimes daughters have a calmer head than mothers.  Sometimes they don't.  I'm tended to say, "Either way, hijinks ensue," but it isn't "hijinks" that ensure.  It's something that's not the least bit funny to either mother or daughter.  It's not, however, envy at the root the "competition".  It's control.  The real question is often whether the mother has any right whatsoever to even want control over what a grown daughter does.  Most people (including most mothers, perhaps) would say that as long as a grown daughter is a competent adult her mother has no right whatsoever to even want to try to control her.  If you think that's an encouraging thought don't be so encouraged.  A whole lot of mothers don't seem to see that their grown daughter is a perfectly competent individual who is all those aforementioned "good-things-to-be". 

It is perhaps because so many mothers tend to under-estimate the competence and good sense of their daughters that x percent of power-struggles take place.  Remember that "feminine grace and elegance" that is a part of so many girls and women?  Well, girls and women live in a world where being feminine and graceful is most often not associated with being "perfectly competent and capable", even by mothers who have lived their lives as women (and "low man on the social/economic totem pole", at least until they had "feminine and graceful" daughters of their own).  There can be another side to that "feminine-grace" thing, and that's the even though daughters who are feminine may be at higher risk of not being respected as "competent and capable" than less feminine daughters; grown daughters can sometimes also face the double-whammy punch of mothers a) not seeing women who are feminine as "equally competent", but also b) not being respected enough by mothers who nonetheless respect in other women (like grown daughters) being attractive and feminine (but as separate issues from the matter of competence and capability).  So either way, a lot of grown daughters aren't going to get the right kind of respect from their mothers.

Sometimes when a mother competes in a power match against her daughter, she's actually right in believing her daughter is "making the mistake of her life", and maybe she's even right in trying to prevent her daughter from making that mistake.  Other times, however, mothers don't know when to draw lines on their own attempts to "put in their two cents' worth" on their daughter's choices. 

Either way, I think it's a minority of instances in which a mother is "lacking" enough that she envies her daughter's youthful appearance (or youth, itself).  I think it's most often a matter of the mother's lack of respect for her daughter as a competent, capable, adult; as well (maybe) as the mother's thinking her own ideas/approaches are actually superior to her daughter's.  That may be "ego", but it sure as hell is not envy; and it sure as hell has little to do with whether the daughter is young and pretty.


Sometimes It's Neither A Competition Nor A Power Struggle (Nor Even A Debate)

In fairness to emotionally healthy mothers everywhere, the above is not to suggest that most mothers don't know when to draw lines on their own behavior.  Sometimes, however, even the most reasonable and emotionally health mother may only appear to her daughter that she's crossing some line by voicing her opinion on one matter or another.  One thing I discovered as I started taking my place among the mothers-of-grown-kids (and aunts-of-grown-nieces-and-nephews) "club" was this:  As the younger generation in the family grew up, I was more than aware that they were grown up; and I believed (as a novice in the "club") that I should be very careful not to try "mother" these adults.  Instead, I thought, I should make it a point to treat them as the adults they were.  In "all my healthy-ness" I knew I had no right to expect someone like my daughter to do things, or think things, the way I did.  I respected my daughter as an adult.  Because of that, I began doing what I'd do when talking to any adult.  That was to candidly share my own views/opinions on things "just as discussion" and certainly not to try to convert anyone or imply that their way was the wrong way.  I made the mistake of assuming that my daughter (or any number of other younger-generation family members) knew that I, like she (I imagined) understood that it isn't reasonable for “opinion-voicers”  to expect the other person to change what's important to her just because of an opinion.

Here's what I learned, however; and that was that I'd been short-sighted and inexperienced in being on the "older-person" side of the equation; because even though most people (regardless of the side of the equation) understand that there's only so much weight any adult needs to give to someone else's opinion, it turns out that people like daughters may know that in their head but not really feel it in their heart, at least when it comes to someone like a mother.  Looking back at my "novice-as-an-older-person" days, I realize how stupid I was not to even think about the fact that, even as an adult, I'd always have preferred to have my mother's approval, rather than not.

I'd been paying so much attention to my own efforts at "letting go" and "letting newly grown family members grow up", it hadn't really occurred to me that while I would have to overcome my leanings toward being protective and motherly, I shouldn't have forgotten the ways in which people like daughters will always want some types of things from their mothers/parents.  My "rude awakening" came when I made the mistake of "treating a young, but adult, family member as an adult" and "simply voicing my thoughts" on a very serious matter.  After my having been "the protective and supportive adult" through this family member's lifetime, I suddenly shocked her when I "called a spade a spade" and assumed she'd understand "the value of honest, open, communications in families".  She was shocked and angered at my insensitivity.  The painful thing was that the last person in the world I'd ever want to have hurt was she; but, insensitive I, in fact, had been by not realizing that while I thought I was being respectful of her as an adult, she had continued to view me as someone on whom she could always count to be supportive, protective, and kind.

These are things we mothers gradually figure out along the road from being all wrapped up with what we see in the mirror to a time when our story is no longer a blank slate onto which we imagine wonderful things and has, instead, unfolded in colors and music that are so much more than we ever could have imagined.  There's something very "glory days" about seeing one's story in reality, as opposed to only being able to imagine what may or may not ever really happen. 

My daughter is grown up enough that her wedding is planned for late Summer.  When I look at my grown daughter I can't imagine even thinking in terms of competing with her.  Instead, I see my role now as always staying that one person who loves her in that powerful and unique way a mother loves her child; and hope she knows that I'm still here, just 30-or-so years ahead of her, hoping I can share some of what I've learned and being proud to see "all the good things to be" that she has always been and still is today.